Thanks for your last response! Knowledge from experience is always great. The longest recommended span between wall supports for 1x10 lumber is 24 inches. I would need to measure again to be certain, but I believe the door measures 30″, could be 36″ though. Practically fool-proof, lolol. The first shelf is usually higher from the floor, between 18 and 20 inches. And if the dividers are 15″, and you use 12″ shelving, the pole will be right at the end of the shelving, easy to slip a hanger over. But six years later, in the early 1980s, that all changed. Once you’ve controlled and simplified the design, control and simplify the layout and installation, too—teach your crew how to make and use a story pole for every job. I find the studs are never quite where I want them to be. Wondering if you could explain how you hang the center shelf? The longest recommended span between wall supports for 3/4-inch-thick plywood shelves is 36 inches. But from the sound of your closet, I’d suggest opening up the wall, putting in a new header, and a pair of bi-pass or bi-fold doors! These days we use a lot of melamine and pre-finished plywood, too. Read some of the other comments and you’ll see that they’re attached to the ends of the cleats–you start by attaching one set of cleats, then one divider, then another set of cleats, etc. Could I then just attach to studs thru the cleats? I would imagine you might have tried this already? You mention the location of dividers in a corner. Then a 16" space to the next 24" shelf, then 14" (above the second 24" shelf), then 10" spaces for the remainder. Any thoughts here? I see nothing attractive, utilitarian,labor saving, or cost saving about the type of shelving you describe here. Last question: Are ledgers and cleats used interchangeably, or are they different in any way? When it is impossible or impractical to attach shelf supports to stud, you must make sure to use the proper wall anchors. Excellent! Me included! My customers after a discussion of what I feel are the pros and cons of each system usually go with a vinyl/ steel system with a number of bells and whistles added such as shoe racks, baskets, and double top shelves. The bookcase is the original closet door frame, I knocked out the wall between the two spaces. 1/2 in. You can always edge band. Thanks for taking the time to write the article. The one thing I’m stuck on: How are the vertical supports dividers attached to the back wall? Span in this instance means the distance between supports for the shelf. Maybe people didn’t have so many clothes back then. Basically you need to screw a ledger board into the wall above the floor. The span limit is defined as the maximum distance apart that you can place the shelving supports. It’s just easier to work in a closet without the doors in the way, and besides, that way we don’t have to worry about banging shelving into new doors. Hopefully this explains it better. Thanks so much for providing input. Or just take the verticals to the floor and wrap them with the base across a toe kick under a bottom shelf. But for the most part the layout is really the same. on each side of the middle shelf section. The 16-in. As you said, it would not have been adequate for support. There are lots of ways to support shelves: corbels, unobtrusive brackets that are painted the wall color, etc. from the floor, which allows room for tall boots on the floor. I have an irregular space for a small walk-in and was trying to figure out what standard measurements I should use for various types of storage. Yes. Bedroom Reach-In Closet • Top shelf should be 14” to 16” deep if the soffi t allows. Especially when the customer doesnt want a lined floor. Is it more economical this way or via a company like California Closets? Bob Formisano is a licensed architect and builder with 30 years of experience in the industry. Are they attached at all, or are they only supported by resting on the ground? Remember, the dividers rest on the floor, so there is no shear pressure. Gary. If you are in a custom home, this will enhance the bult-in look. Single Shelf-and-Pole: To accommodate long coats and dresses, a section of Single Shelf-and-Pole should be installed in every closet (closets for children are often an exception). Two examples are provided here: Use the following guidelines to determine the "clear shelf height" needed for the types of items you plan to place on your shelves. I’ve got a few pieces of scrap 3/4″ Azek material laying in the shop right now, leftover rips from 8′ sheets. But the layout and dimensions haven’t changed much–which is what I was concentrating on in this story. do you have any rules of thumb for the width of the divider shelf section for different size doors? Whenever possible, we try to keep linen shelves the same width, so they can be cut in packages. You can include an image in your comment by uploading it below. from the floor). Particleboard is a manufactured product that is made from sawdust and other wood by-products bonded together with glues and resins. This isn’t “fine woodworking,” it’s production carpentry. I’m handy, but this would probably be my largest project to date. When I started out in the building business, interest rates were low, money was easy to borrow, and custom homes were the way to go. Of course, most of my helpers are quite shorter than I, so I’d reverse some. The dividers are fastened into the ends of the cleats. This is all amazingly helpful. Spans for glass shelves are based on the type, thickness, and overall size of the glass. The studs are 16" apart. The limit is 5 photos, I tried to pick out my favorites. That leaves about 15 1/2" from the top shelf to the ceiling (space for out of season shoes in shoe boxes or clear sweater bags). I realize this adds time to the project but would also clean up the design. Thank you a hundred times! Call a local lumberyard, like Beronios or Golden State and get a referral for a good finish carpenter! I cut dados in the vertical support to receive the shelf. Double Pole: If pants are folded over a hanger, they only need half the hanging height as a long dress—about 34 in. The longest recommended span between wall supports for 2 x 10 lumber is, The longest recommended span between wall supports for 2 x 12 lumber is. The Top Shelf: The top shelf should run completely across the closet, and around all three walls in a u-shaped closet, so the same 84-in. One thing we have been doing lately is applying aromatic cedar edgebanding. Of course, if there’s room, and you’re expecting a lot of shoes, build an entire bank of shoe shelves. Unless we are talking cabinet grade closet systems for high end projects you cannot beat the vinyl covered steel systems for strength, ease of installation, versatility, ease of maintenance,appearance and overall cost. Do you feel that this design is maximizing the use of limited closet space? Then a 16" space to the next 24" shelf, then 14" (above the second 24" shelf), then 10" spaces for the remainder. Make the “level” line mark for the cleat, then mark the angle of the notch. See image for the dimension I’m asking about. This is is a picture of my son’s closet “before”: I made the shelves from birch plywood. Could you post a sketchup file so I can see some angles and details? Read our comment policy for more information. of space remains between the top shelf and the ceiling, which is enough room for shoe boxes, hat boxes and other storage. The three most common types of shelving arrangements are (see image, above): Double Pole, Single Pole, and Linen Shelves. I know you mentioned that anything above 34″ will sag without a support. Gary. Great article! Yes, you have to fasten the cleats to every stud you can, that’s what supports the shelf. Then sand them. There’s thick carpeting in the closet that I don’t want to cut into (lack of expertise!). • Standard: specify 15% long hang and 85% double hang. Turned out great. • First upgrade: specify 15% long hang, 60% double hang and 25% shelving. How do I find someone in the SF Bay Area to do a closet for me like this please? Thanks. I’m not really clear about what you’re asking. We would certainly welcome an article from you on installing vinyl coated steel closet systems, especially closet rods that allow clothing to sweep around the corner without interruption! Thinner sheets of plywood can be glued together (laminated) to make a thicker panel for cutting sturdier shelves. I want to do that to my son’s closet too. Starting partions above baseboard level accommodates future remodeling and provides even more room for vacuuming and shoes. The longest recommended span between wall supports for 3/4-inch particleboard is 28 inches. The 16-in. view from the bedroom. from the floor, this sweater shelf arrangement should result in a somewhat even spacing. Gary, Sorry for not being clear. Installed 3 closets in a basement with a just shorter then 8ft ceiling. If this support were raised up above the baseboard, it would speed the installation of base and flooring. We angle-cut our dividers, leaving a 1-in. Baskets, Cubbies and Drawers Just wanted some thoughts…. Gary. I also installed a wire closet shelving for another customer in the same kind of closet space but with only two wire racks and brackets the material cost was way more for the two simple wire shelf’s. from the floor. Would shortening the vertical require a extra bottom cleat? wide. Finish carpenters can also learn the system and tweak it with wood accents and upgrades Melamine, particle board, , #2 or d select pine –hah!

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